Re: Victorian State Van Titles 2011 - In Pictures

**VanGoes** Tue 25 Oct 2011, 1:21 pm

First off, Thanks for the pics and write ups all... I couldn't get there and feel that I missed a great day. (Also the Vid was a top idea... thanks HQVAN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3rNGIyVE2s)

vanner065 wrote:
The Judging, well i am not going to get into any debate or stick up for any one about the weekend. I thought the top 6 was pretty much correct but then after that there were a few discrepancies if you ask me... ...I listen to comments of people after the show and take note and listen also to their questions and then i put these to those in charge. Usually i get very good answers back but i like to ask from looking at the results from different points of view even if they are not my belief, i still ask... ...It is really hard to explain to people in writting how and why some vehicles score well over others without having them side by side and then not upsetting the owners... ...If you want to do mods you have to be spot on, but so does the factory escort guard. Having the mods will only give points to the van if there is a catagory for modified, if there is no catagory then they get judged as if they are both factory. You can think this is unfair but it works both ways, do we discriminate against some one who has and likes the factory look or against the guy who likes the flares or different lights etc. You cant seperate them these days unlike in the 70's where mods gave extra points. Unfortunately it is just like political correctness. Personally i wish there was ways around this but there really isnt unless there is a modified section. but the mods probably do not count towards the over all score, just like murals do not count towards extra points, they are a seperate catagory... ...Lastly, my advise is, unless you are building a van to show and win trophies, never go to a show expecting to win smething...
James

I am hoping to make my van show worthy... whether I win awards or not doesn't mater. But after reading James response... a thought stuck in my head. What if someone bought a Millennium van off the showroom floor... pushed it into a truck and dropped it off at a show??? How could it loose with the current judging system???

I don't have an answer to how to change the judging system... but can understand the frustrations of the participants and spectators.

But Judging issues aside... I'm happy that there was a good turnout and that I really need to put in a huge effort to get my van to show standard Smile

More pics... More pics!

Jason (VanGoes)

vanner065 Tue 25 Oct 2011, 2:37 pm

Show standard, what is it? Is it to a standard you are happy with and like to show people or is it show quality? To me, if you have spent the time on it to improve its finish from standard then it is show standard, remember people like different things. I would not call my van show quality but it is show standard.
I remember going to the Vic Hot Rod show when Street Legal and Jade were there side by side. People came up to Street and were mezmerized by all the chrome, they stood there staring, then they looked at Jade and a completely differet look came on their face because it was more relatable and useable. As much as Jade's engine bay is awsome, it is show standard compared to show quality with Street, but people looked longer at Jade's engine bay.
As for the millenium vans on the weekend, they were mostly all detatailed better than factory, and that is the same at the van nats, thats why they do score well.

As for Bluey's ute against Ron's, well all i can say is at least they wern't victorian judges, so it looks like judging all over needs to be looked at. hehe cheers

James

**HQVAN** Tue 25 Oct 2011, 4:02 pm

MajesticXX7 wrote:what they think and whats on an engineers report makes the difference. If a judge ignores an engineer they have issues.

Perhaps a new thread on judging might be in order.

Agreed Troy, can a moderator please move the judging debate part of this thread to a new one? A lot of new members are going to be coming on here to check the pics, and probably don't need the politics.

**HQVAN** Tue 25 Oct 2011, 4:10 pm

FJ21O4 wrote:Thanks for the support guys but Ive gotta say i'm happy with the result. I'd hate to be a judge at any event. Highlight of the day was Harrys mad dash for the trophy. He hasn't stopped talking about it

I loved that he went up and accepted the award, that was so cool! I bet he was excited about 'his' van winning! Very Happy

**The Zodiac** Tue 25 Oct 2011, 8:05 pm

HQVAN wrote:
FJ21O4 wrote:Thanks for the support guys but Ive gotta say i'm happy with the result. I'd hate to be a judge at any event. Highlight of the day was Harrys mad dash for the trophy. He hasn't stopped talking about it

I loved that he went up and accepted the award, that was so cool! I bet he was excited about 'his' van winning!

Was funny as and once he had hold of it no one was getting it!!! He was a very well behaved little man, even if it took a few bribes to keep him occupied. Laughing

Did spiderman make it home Josh or fall asleep 10 minutes after you left?? Very Happy

Scotty use to do the same thing at presentations, it's like a junior "smash and grab", head down, flat out, grab trophy, shake hand(if they were lucky! Laughing

) and run! lmao

The little fellas make it so much more enjoyable and worthwhile.

Cheers Rob

**FJ21O4** Tue 25 Oct 2011, 8:20 pm

Yeah the little bloke was passed out before we hit the freeway. Good excuse to get to spend a bit of time with him.
As for the dash for cash, no photo session for him!!
Took a few bribes over the day. I spose when ya 4 there is only so many cars you can look at. Especially when the cars are at a kids entertainment park.

**HQVAN** Tue 25 Oct 2011, 8:32 pm

I almost missed the presentations because I was on the train with the kids. lol!

**The Zodiac** Tue 25 Oct 2011, 9:15 pm

vanner065 wrote:Show standard, what is it? Is it to a standard you are happy with and like to show people or is it show quality? To me, if you have spent the time on it to improve its finish from standard then it is show standard, remember people like different things. I would not call my van show quality but it is show standard.

James

I agree James but I just word it slightly different, you call it show standard and I call it a daily driver/neat streeter.
My trusty WB was as nice as a lot of the vans on display on the weekend and it's my daily driver/work vehicle.
I'm just building my vans to keep me happy, I'm not real worried about what other people think of them.
Cheers Rob Very Happy

**serendipity** Tue 25 Oct 2011, 9:34 pm

you can bring bad company to any of my shows james, it fits my idea of a cool van

**HQVAN** Tue 25 Oct 2011, 11:01 pm

Does anyone else have some pictures they want to add to the thread?

pics

I had a great day guys, it was awesome to catch up, lets keep vanning moving forward!

vanner065 Tue 25 Oct 2011, 11:37 pm

I took a bunch of photos but they have to go to the Custom Utes and Vans mag, (now called Brute Utes and Vans). When i decide what photos to send i will post the others here soon.

Rob, i class neat street as show standard as well, like u said, its just the wording. There are way better vans than mine that are every day streeters, i just think if you have a well presented van then it is worthy to be "shown" so there for show standard.

James

**MajesticXX7** Tue 25 Oct 2011, 11:43 pm

Poor old max van was no show van but it got a place in one of the vic state van titles.....go figure Smile

**freestyler1** Tue 25 Oct 2011, 11:57 pm

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**The Zodiac** Wed 26 Oct 2011, 11:53 am

Here's a few pics I took.

One schmick FJ!!

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Beautifully finished through out. Love your choice in business cards Josh!!! Very Happy

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Australia's coolest car seat.........

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**The Zodiac** Wed 26 Oct 2011, 12:01 pm

Nearly all the MV vans there........couldn't fit Leigh's Sundowner quite in, anyone manage to get all 4 in the one shot???

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The main award for the van nats.

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Checkmate and Alley Cat!!!! Pity they spelt the name wrong.........some cool history on this thing!!!

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JJ checks out a HK-T-G van for some ideas to use on his rebuild! Very Happy

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**The Zodiac** Wed 26 Oct 2011, 12:16 pm

Michael's Val... bow

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Karls HQ...... rockon

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Gen 3.........nice!! chev

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Real clean Sandman........

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Daz's truck........ afro

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**Jonny James** Wed 26 Oct 2011, 4:54 pm

here's more of the same but from my camera Laughing

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**simopar** Wed 26 Oct 2011, 5:41 pm

Looks to have been a great event and its a shame that the judging issues and politics with any show or club always become such a problem. A nice couple in the next street over are always trying to talk me into joining the local Van Club here, but I've butted heads with three of their members, two of whom I've never met in person! I try and keep things pretty low key and avoid getting sucked into whirlpools of drama, but I'll stick up for myself too if someone wants to have a dig at me especially when they've never even met me or know me.

It pretty much sealed the deal for me in that I don't want to be involved anywhere but with Majestics, and I don't think I'll ever enter Disturbia to be judged at any Van Shows. It just seems like a lot of hairpulling over things that I really don't want to deal with.

As for me, I think Josh's FJ is outstanding in all counts and is an absolute credit to you mate

have fun

Simo

0488TINTER Thu 27 Oct 2011, 2:25 am

great to see that trophy - is it an original that has been added to over the years?

thanks heaps for the pics, would there be any trim shots? Very Happy