No more modified car vans 4wds ect

Has anyone heard anything about them ? mate just went to get his chopped harley passed. Nope his engineer also told him no more mag wheels no tubbed guards, he said they are outlawed so he cannot finish his FJv8.And the engineer is chucking it in when the new laws come in.

thats bullshit man! when will they stop? whats next, are they just gonna outlaw all cars over 20yrs old? that boils my blood

Yes, I have heard that too. Thats why I decided to do original vans years ago as I knew it was in the pipeline.

And dont think a new Liberal Govt in NSW will change anything.

Mines already regoed so it shouldn't effect me. And I live in the sticks and us country folks dont follow all the rules you city folk do.

The Zodiac wrote:Mines already regoed so it shouldn't effect me. And I live in the sticks and us country folks dont follow all the rules you city folk do.

haha i was going to say the same thing hahaha.

Maybe the tubs bit might be right (although if you dont touch chassis rails I cant see this being a problem either) but I really doubt they will ban mag wheels, think about the people that will go out of business because of such a stupid move.

I went to the RTA on monday finding out about this,now the inspector I spoke to was a cool guy to deal with and said that at this point he know's nothing about these new law's that are been proposed as it is still the same as it has been.

My advice don't listen to hear say go straght to the source,but as for the mag wheel issue well that mean's that holden and ford and the other's including HSV and FPR will have to all run standard rims on them I cannot see that happening.

Regards Tony.

You can sign this it might help

http://nothoons.myelectorate.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39&Itemid=126

Hey all you cars/bike enthusiasts, 4WD's & Mini-truckers.

Forget all the rumours that have been floating around for the past couple of years, this time its for real. I have even got confirmation from a couple of the engineers that it looks like all systems go. UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

The RTA is at it again trying on the sly to take away our right to modify our rides and if we dont act now and use people power by the masses. Just like when they put out that VSI50 crap we all rallied & the Woopsie was thrown out.

The RTA has put a date (September 29 2011) on when the current vehicle modification rules will cease to exist and the new (communist nanny state style) rules will come into effect

This may not affect you at the moment, but 5 or 10 years down the track when you decide to upgrade to a newer 4WD or weekend muscle car, you dont want to look back and remember that you did nothing to stop it, and you might as well be driving a white Toyota Prius Hybrid. LOL

Heres a just preview of whats installed for all of us (and theres something here for everyone):

Cars:
- You can no longer increase your tyre rolling diameter by more than 15mm for passenger cars. So for get about fitting a nice pair of 26-30" street radials on the rear of your muscle cars & no more 20-22" rims for the ricers.

- Replacement engine sizes will be drastically reduced. So no more 308's in LJ toranas, no more 350's in LX toranas, no more V8's in capri's or cortinas, etc, etc. And as for forced induction, with the limits to be imposed you wont even be able to turbo or blow your original engines in most cases. It works out that you can only blow up to a 4.3L in something as heavy as an XY Falcon. WTF

- Streetrods will become a thing of the past.

4WDs:
- You can no longer increase your tyre rolling diameter by more than 50mm on your everyday ride. So no more fitings a set of 35's to your patrol or landcruiser and if your lucky you may just be able to fit a set of 31's to your hilux navara triton or rodeo. How crazy's that.

- You will no longer be able to raise your vehicle cab more than 6" total, inclusive of that resulting from suspension lifts, body lifts and from larger tyres.

- To get a vehicle lift (like just mentioned) for more than 2" engineer certfied will set you back thousands with all the Woopsie testing that will have to be done on a closed circuit test track. From what I here it will need to be done on an unused air-strip, so you will be going somewhere like goulburn or somewhere in the sticks to do it & good luck getting an engineer to travel that far away to do it for you. This Woopsie will end up impossible to get done.

- Bye bye modified 4Wd's and the massive small business workshops and parts industries that it supports. Hello social security.

Mini-trucks:
- Well all ive got to say is do you remember VSI-50 ! Bye bye chassis notches, drop-spindle & fitting 20" wheels. Bye bye minitrucks and the massive small business workshop and parts industries that it supports. Hello social security.

All is not lost (yet) as it has not even been signed off by the Roads Minister yet. If we do nothing it will happen and if you think they will change it back once done your dreaming (just like labour cancelled the GST when they got back in after the John Howard ere - LOL). If a few thousand people send emails or letters to the road minister and CC Barry O'Farell, they will realise how many voters they will Dribble off and can the whole Woopsie.

Here's what you do. send an email to the current roads minister Duncan Gay: 'office@gay.minister.nsw.gov.au' and CC the party leader Big Bazza: 'office@premier.nsw.gov.au' so that Duncan knows his boss is getting a copy.

Keep it clean, and remind them of their election promise to clean up the RTA as well as the previous government backdown on VSI-50 after the huge rallys that took place in opposition to it and also how they held back these new rules until after the election as it would have only help bury their sinking ship.

Make it clear that you are not happy with how it will affect you or even your livlihood, and how do they fancy their chances of getting in next election and the prospect of spending another 3 or 4 terms in the dark, as us vehicle enthusiasts have long memories.

It's very disappointing to read this. I don't think they realise how many people they are going to p!ssoff so lets SHOW THEM. I would suggest for the future of Vanning that ALL MV members should get behind this. I will be drafting my letter this week and sending it off.

This from Athol the best engineer in newcastle

Now is the time for every person out there to contact their local state MP and the roads minister calling for both VSCCS and VSB14 adoption to be delayed for at least 6 months to allow problems to be resolved. If things go as the RTA have proposed, I fear that vehicle certification in NSW will implode. Nothing will be able to be done, and the government will be very embarrassed.

One of the biggest issues is that the RTA are expecting applicants(engineering signatories) to sign a contract that is not avalable for review prior to signing, not to mention agree to abide by a set of rules that are also not available for review before signing the contract.

It appears that the RTA are trying to keep the new rules and conditions a secret until they are signed off by the Minister for Transport....once this happens we are stuck with the rules, very underhanded if you ask me.

Banning mag's won't be an issue as i don't know of too many wheels on the road that are made of magnesium any more. Plenty of alloy ones

Mines still regoed too, will keep it that way too, bloody Hoons fault.

Its not fair, I hardly ever use the N2o when I go to the shops anymore


cheers
Boppo

HGPV wrote:Its not fair, I hardly ever use the N2o when I go to the shops anymore

haha only when you get the bread and milk right haha

Heres a cheerful post i found on small car
site

Engineer reports are not worth the paper they are written on. As a member of the local Highway Patrol, we are obliged to work in conjunction with RTA inspectors doing operations where modified vehicles are taken to "checking stations". Any suspension mod for motor sport applications gets defected as a car now fitted with 4 links ladder bars etc when it came out with leaf spings, is not considered safe for road usage.
People will argue that these mods are safer 'at speed' well has anyone checked out the speed limits on the roads lately???
Multi carb engines are fine as long as they have an airbox fitted and comply with emissions. Oh and did I mention charcoal canisters.
Sadly it will end up where people will be driving boring cars on the road and have their track day cars with mods in the garage. Saves me writing tickets and defect notices

Our Gemini van was engineered and when I got pulled over in it once, the copper asked what sort of engine was in it and for me to pop the bonnet, I told him the engineers reports in the glovebox and he just said dont worry about it then and walked off.

Are you meant to carry your engineers report in the car? Might have to try and find where i've put it.

I had a copy of mine in there for arguements sake incase I got pulled over.

well guys, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS! i cant stress this enough. ive also just been told that part of these new laws will include affect engine swaps dramatically, aparently if your van/ute/wagon etc was first registered with a 202 from factory, you will only be allowed to run a 202 unless the car was registered for more than 12 months before the new laws came in.its complete rubbish that it could even come to this. ive already sent my veiws to the addresses in james' post, but im going to do it again and i urge you all to do the same.

I found this in my travels


0Were probably a tad out of touch with the real issue that faces the modified car scene at present with the proposed and almost legislated changes to the rules for modified cars.

The real point of concern is that the new system will see almost anyone within the trade able to obtain a qualification to pass modifications on light vehicles...that is anyone who can afford a $2800pa mandatory insurance premium, $25000 personal indemnity excess and a $10000 joint liability excess...not to mention a scheme exit cost of 7 years worth of premiums, all payable on exit.

This is a double whammy for the current signatory group as they must still hold the same insurance seperately for their private/non registered vehicle engineering work. Insurances they privately hold cover the same things that the mandatory RTA insurance covers with nowhere near the excess or other running cost liabilities. Effectively the RTA are forcing new scheme participants to pay twice for insurance.

I currently hold sufficient qualification to apply and be accepted a cert IV trade certificate...not to mention many many shady characters with almost limitless supplies of cash that hold the same qualification. We are faced with a situation where any shady character with cash and a cert IV can enter the program....no uni degree in engineering required. If I was to be selfish...this could be a great thing, but in reality it will result in the biggest level of risk we have ever seen(post signatory scheme introduction)as the new scheme is dollar driven with little regard for safety.

After all this...the rules for modifications wont be changing very much...but the people that will be able to sign off the mods will be changing.

Most of the current highly qualified signatories cant afford to enter the program. The cost of an engineers report will likely head into the $2000+ range....out of most enthusiasts range of justification.

All this is due to come into effect on the 1st of October...very cunningly delivered by the RTA under covert conditions.

The best thing that could happen is the scheme be suspended pending a thorough investigation by industry professionals...and qualified professionals at that.

If the new system gets in we are screwed...not by restrictions on mods but by the costs we will incur.... and the dangerous cars that cashed up shady characters can afford to have passed by their cashed up shady mates with authorisation to pass their cars.

The RTA are no longer providing a service....they are a business that is hungry to generate income...the personalised and custom number plate system is proof of this, not to mention what we are now looking at with the new modified vehicle scheme.

I remember seeing in Street Machine last year a there was a group formed to take on this.If I
remember correctly it was an industry based group advertising to get people to get on board
to take on the pollies.
Any thoughts?

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If VSB14 is NOT accepted in NSW. NSW RTA is currently preparing a draft adaptation of VSB14 which will most likely contain elements of VSI 50 (the ride height one) in it.

The exact changes from the proposed national Code are unclear and will remain so for approximately a month at which stage they hope to have the new draft released for reveiew and public comment. Following the draft being modified and then accepted the RTA have stated they intend to have a 6 month grace period where an engineer will be able to certify vehicles under either scheme. Following this period it's the new code of practice nor NSW.. which the public have yet to see.

All I can say is if you have been knocked back by an engineer under the new rules then find a new engineer who is up on current events and read the direction sent from the RTA. If you are modifying a car atm then pull your finger out and get it certified prior to the new rules being adopted (6 months at least).

This details are what my engineer has told me. Feel free to do your own ACTUAL research or I suggest you engage an engineer on your project and not just take it as gospel what you find on the internetz.

In the latest Street Machine there is a story about this,Page 14.
There is an organisation,The Australian Confederation of Motor Clubs (ACMC) who are lobbying the
authorities and RTA.

www.confederationofmotorclubs.org.au

sign up to have a say and keep informed

I just sent an email to Mr Gay and one to Mr Stoner and cc'ed Big Barry in on both of them. Stoner was dead set against any changes BEFORE the election. I know he's not the transport minister but he asked for "our" support prior to the election and, as it would appear, received it.
Time for him to pay back the favor.

More info ..............................................................................................................................

Insider information (from reliable informed industry sources) is that the proposed NSW laws are being driven by at least two powerful people:

- one guy is an ex police big chief,
- the other is an ex WorkCover big chief.

The mentality is (quote) "why do you need to modify cars anyway".
The mentality is that it will be too difficult/impossible and unpalatable for owners to own modified vehicles and drive on the road, and/or making RTA certifiers do their job properly by the amount of accountabilty they will inherit via enormous liabilities.

I understand any modification will be criticised. This includes details down to not being able to increase the rolling diameter of tyres no more than 15% from factory standard.
Many existing vehicles will have extreme difficulties in being registered.

I understand even now, many owners with vehicles that carry proper NSW RTA certification/s as modified vehicles are receiving letters from the RTA demanding that the vehicle and the owner attend RTA checking stations for inspections. On arrival for inspection the car is taken into the closed RTA workshop while the owner is told to wait outside while the inspection takes place. Should any defects be found the plates are removed, a list made up and the owner is instructed to remove the vehicle until resolved.

The only way to try to stop this happening is for every one to hammer the minister day and night.

Don't forget should the new laws be implemented several entire industries (accessories, body builders, spare parts etc etc) will immediately collapse.

Makes the Nazi Party and Uncle Adolph look like a bunch of party goers....